Posts by FatFreek 2005

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The Unwitness has a positive experience Sat. 11am at McDonalds

by RayPublisher in

interview with joel the unwitness:.

http://youtu.be/bpwylueul44.

an outstanding experience of unwitnessing occurs when a former jw happens to find himself at a mcdonalds around 11am on a saturday.... does pandemonium ensue?

FatFreek 2005

A wonderful experience. Thanks for sharing. I wonder now if i was there? Where and Which McDonalds and which kingdom hall?

Len

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Jehovah's Witnesses family struck by lightning in Germany

by raymond frantz in

http://jwdoctrine.com/family-jehovahs-witnesses-struck-lightning-germany/.

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The first paragraph of that report proceeds, "On Thursday the 15th May a family of Jehovah’s Witnesses is reported to have been injured by lightning in a violent storm in their home in Limbach-Oberfrohna, near Dresden, Germany. The entire family of five sustained injuries while their nine-year-old boy remains in hospital with more serious injuries." ...

I find it strange that the report mentions the name of this family's religion. Why is that significant in this case?

Less than professional mainstream reporting, plus an apparent translation into English -- IMHO.

Len

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My JW Mom came for an impromptu visit yesterday. It went great! :)

by Faithful Witness in

it is so nice to start actually believing that my mom wants to have a relationship with me and my kids again.

there was awhile, where it was in question, and she wasn't sure if she was supposed to associate with us or not.

i think the stand that my sister has taken against me, is actually causing my mom to start doubting whether it is a good idea to follow this cruel example of "love" as defined by the watchtower.

FatFreek 2005

Hi FW,

You said: "

"Why do they insist on calling God by his personal name, when Jesus Christ never said it?"

My mom said, "Right, Jesus called him Father." (!!!)

I told her how Miss K showed me some scriptures, where Jesus said he had come to make known his father's name, sanctify his name. I said, "But nowhere is it recorded, when Jesus told us to CALL God by his personal name. If it had been such an important instruction, then why isn't it recorded anywhere in the gospels?"

Mom said, "That's a good point..."

I said, "Jesus demonstrated how to pray, in the Lord's Prayer... 'Our Father, who art in heaven...' If anywhere he was going to tell us how to call on God, don't you think he would have said the name in that example prayer? Do you think he would have told us how to pronounce it?"

"Jehovah's Witnesses are so fixated on vindicating Jehovah's name... but Jesus didn't even call him that. What makes them think that they should be calling him that? If you go beyond what Jesus taught, then you are actually following the instructions of men. Are they following Christ's example, or the instructions of men?" My mom didn't say anything, but I think she got the piont. She looked confused."

I love it. I have been thinking these points for many years but you expressed them so well. Of course, I've been out since 1977 but I then loathed the addressing of Jehovah (by name) in public prayer (which I detest, as did Jesus). In addition, ever notice how some elders and assembly speakers address Jehovah by name, like a dozen or more times in a single prayer. Heck, I didn't even address my earthly dad by his name, Wesley. I don't remember being told by anyone to do this -- I just did it out of respect. Perhaps Jesus in his model prayer did the same -- as a model.

Len

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ELDER BOOK surrender - FINLAND (also in Scandal/Coverups section)

by RagingBull in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

FatFreek 2005

I appreciate the complement, RagingBull.

Len

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ELDER BOOK surrender - FINLAND (also in Scandal/Coverups section)

by RagingBull in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

FatFreek 2005

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ELDER BOOK surrender - FINLAND (also in Scandal/Coverups section)

by RagingBull in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

FatFreek 2005

Peanuts knows the poop.

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30th Anniversary of THAT classic 1914 WT front cover

by wizzstick in

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please join with me, and celebrate the 30th anniversary of the classic wt with the front cover which boldly proclaimed that the generation of 1914 would never pass away.. the cover date of the that wt is infact this very day so let us raise a glass to this clear sign they have god's backing:.

in this the 100th anniversary of our lords return (invisibly of course brothers) it is a fine and appropriate thing to do..

FatFreek 2005

Jgnat: I remember the great collaborative work that went on here at JWN to track down that generation, who they were and how long they lived. I think Leolaia helped quite a bit.

That was some three years ago and it was quite an experience asking for help on names and dates. As I remember it began with this thread. Aussie Oz made a great contribution.

It continued with this thread.

A year or so later, this thread was added.

Len Miller

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I amnot JW. Could you help me about bible study?

by emre01 in

hi, iam not jehova witness could you help me about bible study?.

hamzasinan06 - skype id.

thanks.

FatFreek 2005

Take the few minutes it takes to download this free essay (The Great Watchtower Contradiction), then take the 11 minutes it takes to read it. It will save you a lifetime of frustration.

Len

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The Masters of Spin--Local numbers from your Apostate Account Servant

by suavojr in

ytd average.

yearly contribution.

$ 2,625.85. donation resolution .

FatFreek 2005

Thank for enllightening us.

A bit of heads up, Suavo: Those numbers are specific enough to reveal your real identity as the person managing the accounts of a real congregation. I hope, if you want to continue to maintain your anonymity, that you've made them up.

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JWs under scrutiny in Finland

by Mickey mouse in

http://yle.fi/uutiset/ngo_calls_on_ministry_to_probe_closed_religious_groups_jehovahs_witnesses_under_scrutiny/7219755.

sorry i'm on a tablet so can't make the above clickable.

FatFreek 2005

I don't get it. If a person attempts suicide and is unsuccessful, that person is awarded some concessions in regard to his disfellowshipping.

On the other hand, if he/she (in good standing) is successful (and dies) then his funeral service at a Kingdom Hall and conducted by an elder becomes questionable.

"What, then, should be the attitude of members of a Christian congregation as to attending funerals of reported suicides who may have been associated with the congregation? What about an elder who has received a request to conduct such a funeral? Where death appears to have been accidental, even though it was reported as a suicide or may have involved mental illness, the consciences of some members of the congregation may permit them to attend the funeral to comfort the bereaved ones. Also, it is left up to the personal decision of an elder whether he will conduct such a funeral upon request. However, the congregation may prefer not to sponsor such a funeral publicly or to have it in the Kingdom Hall because of the effect it may have on the uninformed community.
On the other hand, where it is a clearly established suicide, members of the congregation and elders may desire not to become involved in the funeral. In such cases arrangements would be left to the family itself for a private funeral where some member of the household might say a few words for the sake of the relatives."The Watchtower, 1975 7/15 pp. 447-448 Questions From Readers

Cult behavior is written all over it.

Len Miller